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Hello Everyone,

I am incredibly new to violin. I have practiced for about two weeks now. I have made it through 50 of the videos and I have been very pleased with my progress. One recurring issue that I have is that on long bows, my bow seems to bounce along the string (particularly the G string) and I cannot see that I am doing anything drifferent than normal. Can anyone help me with why this might happen, and perhaps how to fix it?


17 Responses
Posted: January 18, 2013
Last Comment: January 25, 2013
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Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 25, 2013
Good to know, Lily. 

TOLynn, nice practice technique! Where the bow around  like Captain Hook's hook.

Lily Mo
Posted: January 25, 2013
Worked for me. This issue has been niggling me for a couple of months and now it seems to be sorted. It only ever occurred on slow down bows at the same middle third of the bow and was driving me insane.  Great insight. 

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 25, 2013
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Daniel,

Here is a bit more info that may help with the bow bouncing. Let me know if it helps or confuses.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 20, 2013
HI Daniel,  all seems to be well with your bow. I'll be shooting a video this week that I hope will help.  Stay tuned...


Posted: January 20, 2013
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Here is the video of my bow as you requested beth. Thank you all for all of your tips and suggestions!


Posted: January 20, 2013


Hello, you'll like it here..Beth saw your difficulty,and I am not going to step in there....BUT!....If you look at Beths' videos..I think from # 9   to  12  ..on bow hold etc.. you'll be ok...

...I think your thumb is under the stick--bend your thumb at joint -put tip on bottom  corner of frog---and---joint against hair...bow should be about 90* to the violin.(.it  looks like the bow  is laying down)..(almost on its side)

..If you put all fingers on bow , as Beths' lessons show--you'll be good to go...and able to control the bouncing with your little finger and your first finger...carry the bow with the thumb and middle fingers---make the shocks work with the first and last fingers...good luck!!


Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 19, 2013
Hi Daniel,

Thanks for posting video! It's always so informative to see what's going on. Just a few quick things before I have to leave for a gig. I will address your bow arm in more depth with a video on Tuesday, but it looks like your bow may either be too tight or warped. I couldn't  get a good enough look, but your bow may be contributing to the bounce. Would you mind making another short video showing me your bow from different angles, tightened exactly as you are used to tightening it?  When you play, the bow hair is too tilted. You can almost hear the stick. I'm not sure if it's you, or if there is too much tension on the bow hair from being over tightened such that the hair flips to it's side. You don't look to have too much tension in your bow hand and arm. I have some suggestions, but I'd like to make a video because there is something about the shoulder I'd like to demo. 

Deirdre
Posted: January 19, 2013
Hi, Daniel, & welcome!

I tried to watch your video, but youtube tells me it is currently unavailable. Did you maybe make it private, instead of unlisted?

In any case, welcome, & happy playing!

(& about bounce -- maybe this will help, maybe not. If you actually "hold" the bow -- that's to say, hold it up, it will bounce. Let your arm and hand relax, and gently guide the bow, and the bounce will stop. Works for me, anyway ;-D)


Posted: January 19, 2013
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I took this video a few days ago. any comments are welcome. the two things that glare at me are my bow hold and intonation.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 19, 2013
Daniel, if after all this wonderful advise, you still are having trouble, please post a video. Sometimes the issue is very obvious. And if it isn't we'll keep troubleshooting. My favorite thing to do is to solve a particularly troublesome problem in hopes that I think of something I haven't yet thought of.


Posted: January 19, 2013
Dear Daniel. Welcome to VL.  When I read your post yesterday I thought 'tension' and Jo's comment  concurs. Beth's video is very helpful and you might find a whacky tip from Ian Renshaw handy as well. I started out on my own about eighteen months ago and for several months concentrated on getting a decent sound and straight bow on open strings, which is not easy

One of my favourite open bow exercises and warm ups,  is to play continuous long bows alternating the a and d string, in a rocking fashion. Playing at the frog is not easy (harsh sound)  but the exercise, with the aid of a mirror or webcam  is more beneficial to me than just playing single strings.  Best wishes. Nick

Ian's tip is here: LINK


Posted: January 19, 2013
More bow speed.


Posted: January 18, 2013

Welcome aboard !..If you mean 'bounce' as in hopping up and down--try a twist or two more on the hair tension, I find if the hair will touch the stick by putting a little pressure on it ...one finger pressure like you're pressing on a cake...it may be too soft......if you mean ''sliding''along, might need a little more rosin......or straighten bow to cross string at closer to 90*...bows can slip down string if at an angle, because arm isn't aiming at right-angles to strings...??.....the muscle tension is real too....So , relax, and schedule a show for july 4th !!!!


Posted: January 18, 2013
Hi Daniel.  Yes.......,welcome to VL and the world of the violin...it's fun.  One thing that I found when I was first starting out playing long, slow bows on the G string was that I did not have my right elbow up hi enough with the level of the string being played on.  When your elbow is hanging down it can add extra weight to the bow and the stroke and that extra weight can cause the bow to bounce.  I have had it explained to me early on that the strings on are different planes and that the shoulder joint needs to make the moves so that the right arm, from the elbow to the fingers is on a straight line and therefore  is on the correct plane with the string...I hope that makes sense.  So for example, when your bowing on the E string your arm is more down by your side, but when your playing on the G string your whole right arm needs to be elevated. The rt.  forearm, wrist and hand for the bow hold need to be in a straight line level to each other ...the elbow needs to be level in line with this as well....no drooping  :>)
When the bow is moving slowing with too much pressure...the bow can have a tendency to bounce. Stay tuned. Diane in SoCal

Eileen
Posted: January 18, 2013
Hi Daniel, welcome to Vlab !   Is there any way for you to post a video ?  It's much easier to diagnose an issue if Beth can "see" what your doing.  She's usually very quick with a response too.  

You found a great place to learn and grow on this instrument Daniel !  Happy to have you aboard !  :-)


Posted: January 18, 2013

Thank you. This was incredibly helpful. My only issue with this is that my hands are very calloused and as a result i feel that some of the natural adhesion has been lost. After some extensive practice with this I will let you know if it is just in my head. Thank you again.

Joe P
Posted: January 18, 2013
Check out this VIDEO
In my case, bow bounce has always been due to tension.  It has taken forever but I've finally gotten to the point that if it starts to happen, rather than trying to gain more control, I try to feel where I might have tension, and relax.