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Hello everybody!

I am working on a piece where I need to play grace-notes and mordent (I am attaching the notes).  I have no idea how to play mordent, so the end of the piece is a little mess. :)  But I tried to do grace notes.  Often they come when I donít need them but this time I am trying to play them consciously. :) Donít know yet if Iím doing it right though. I play a short previous note after I change the direction of the bow.
In this piece there are two grace notes together in two places.  I skipped them, I donít know how to play it.  

My other exercise is on glissando, trying to learn when to change the bow direction and how to play slurs with glissando (and also when to change the bow direction here).  The notes I am going to attach.

Your opinions and advices are welcome.

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Posted: April 2, 2016
Last Comment: April 6, 2016
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Posted: April 6, 2016
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I thought Iíd post another video.  I donít have any questions about this one, this is just a piece from my homework for the next lesson which will be tomorrow.  I enjoy playing it, itís rather simple but I like it. It would sound better with vibrato but my arm is not ready for that yet.  Iím playing with a mute, it's late at night.  Mute helps to extend learning hours but I cannot see much where the bow travels on the string, so you can hear that I touch other strings sometimes. Will get rid of that one day. :)


Posted: April 6, 2016
Beth, thank you so much!  That helps a lot.  My teacher never told me that.  I am going to learn to play that piece the way you explained.
Dianne, thanks for your comment, all gratitude goes to Beth really. :)

Dianne
Posted: April 5, 2016
This was wonderful. Grace notes, mordents & glissando. We all learn so much because you posted your video, Valeria. Thanks to you & Beth!

Beth Blackerby
Posted: April 5, 2016
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Posted: April 5, 2016
Hi Beth, no problem! Iím happy to hear that you recorded for the movie, itís great!  I even feel a little proud as if I had something to do with it too. :)
I keep working on that piece and considered the advices I got here.  Before you post I will make another attempt to play it, hopefully with some improvements in grace notes and mordent.  I also noticed that in one place I played C natural instead of C sharp.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: April 4, 2016
Hi Valeria, I haven't forgotten you. I've had a busy recording day today. I played for a soundtrack for a movie that's headed off to Cannes! I'll be back working in my studio Wednesday.


Posted: April 3, 2016
Elke, Dianne, Mary and Nick, thank you or watching my video and for your comments!   
Elke, here is a bigger picture of double grace notes:

Nick, I also didnít pay attention whether I rotated the elbow, will try to remember next time I play.  Too many things to watch and my teacher asks to play with a metronome, in my brain there is not more space for it!

I am still working on my right hand (not even mentioning the left hand :) ).   When I change the bow direction the sound is often not clear.  I think itís either because I slow down the hand when I change direction or because my hand drops on the string instead of reaching it smoothly, or maybe something else, I havenít figured out yet.  It especially gets worse when I play long slow notes, I donít like them. :)

Beth I look forward to your video.  I will try to replay that piece correctly.

Nick
Posted: April 3, 2016
Nicely played Valeria! Very smooth string changes and nice tone. I couldn't see your elbow from the video but it seems you may be rotating the wrist to play the lower strings. If you use the elbow movement/swing, this puts less stress and on the wrist and you can reach the lower strings more effectively and with correct form of the left hand. This was one of the first bits of advice Beth gave me in reply to one of my videos. It helps immensely but I often forget to do it while focussing on playing a piece so I have make a conscious movement in my practise until it becomes a habit.

Dianne, I agree completely about the "accidental" grace notes - they sound so much better than my intentional ones as they are usually the result of a split-second change of mind and so they are so fast and sound really nice. Pity they're not intentional!


Posted: April 3, 2016
I pretty much echo what Dianne says
Your tone is good and your use of bow seem nice and relaxed
I look forward to Beth's video

Dianne
Posted: April 3, 2016
Hello Valeria,

I cannot comment yet on what you are working on as I am not there yet, and in fact I am trying to get rid of accidental mordants with my 3rd finger! But I wanted to comment on your bow arm- you have very smooth bowing with a relaxed bow hand, and your arm level is changing nicely as you change strings. Such a smooth bowing and your sense of tempo seems impeccable. Good luck & I can hardly wait for Beth's video response to your playing!

Beth Blackerby
Posted: April 3, 2016
Hi Valeria, You're doing the grace notes very nicely. I'll make a video response tomorrow with a few pointers.

Elke Meier
Posted: April 2, 2016
Valeria, your grace notes sounded just fine to me. The two that you left out are played just like the others: as very quick little notes leading to the "real" note. The only problem there (and that is what is different from the other examples) is that you have to involve another finger. I can't really see whether the first of the two little grace notes is an E or an F#.

If it is an E, then you play the open E, then I would place both first and second finger, play the G and lift second finger right away.

However, this is an easy exercise, so I kind of suspect that the first of the two little grace notes is an F#, then a G, then the "real" note F#. In this case it actually is the notes you would play also for a mordent. This kind of mordent starts on the note, very quickly goes to the next higher note and back to the first note (see here for an explanation). The big difference is that in the grace note, you need to be done with the ornament when you get to the third beat in the measure, whereas the mordent you actually start with the ornament on the third beat.


Posted: April 2, 2016
Here are notes for Grace notes exercise:


And these are the notes for glissando: