Community
You must be a member to respond to discussions.
Discussion

Dennys Dantas
This discussion includes members-only video content

Hello VL family! I tried to post this before, but I still having problems with playing C# on the A string (the strange noise that I mentioned in other discussion), even after changing all the strings. Anyway, here is my attempt at French Folk Song.

Comments are welcome : )
Dennys Dantas
27 Responses
Posted: March 15, 2016
Last Comment: April 6, 2016
Replies

george #
Posted: April 6, 2016

HI, YOU MIGHT TRY CHECKING THE STRING FOR ''ANY'' SIGN OF DAMAGE OR STRAND BREAKAGE , AROUND THE 'NUT'  (especially) OR AT THE BRIDGE...SOMETIMES A SHARP EDGE ,OR AN EXCESSIVE BEND-ANGLE,  CAN CAUSE A STRAND OF THE WRAP CRACK OR BREAK WHICH CAUSES SOME BAD SOUND(S) TO APPEAR....

I SOLVED MY ...I hesitate to call them 'wolf-tones'... 'STRANGE-TONAL-RESPONSES' TO THE BEGINNING OF A BOW STROKE ON A STRING....BY PUTTING SOME ROSIN ON THE HAIR !@!!   The hair was not getting a SOLID grasp on the string at the instant of movement, but rather further along in the bow-stroke.

A year ago I sent my violin to Bob's Bows and Violins in Calif. , Diane's luthier/hubby! Who did a great job of straightening out some problems and did a terrific re-hair job on my very nice pernambuco bow... Diane replaced the "Vision" titanium strings I had on with a very nice warm set of .....? I really liked them, (they matched strings to a sound post move) but I have no idea what they were !!!Non the less as time went on MY 'A'  string  broke a strand at the nut and became a challenge to get a good note on it.....I went back to another set of Vision-Titanium strings...They are strong and tough !  Have a full ,warm sound and I have found - stay in tune Remarkably well !......For what this all  might be worth, George


Dennys Dantas
Posted: April 6, 2016
Hi Beth! Thank you very much for the video response : D I'll train the dynamics in this song and post another video soon. It's awesome to see how changing bow pressure brings more life to the song...

Thank you again!


Hi Ray. I forgot to put some tape there...Thank you for remind me of it : )


Hi Claudio, I'm fine and you? I'm from Cotia. And yes, I'll send you a message...

Beth Blackerby
Posted: April 5, 2016
This discussion includes members-only video content



Claudio - So Paulo, Brazil
Posted: April 5, 2016
Hello Dennys, how are you?

Where in So Paulo are you located ? Would you drop me a message so we can contact each other ?

cs.freire@hotmail.com.br

Ray
Posted: April 5, 2016
You probably have, but have you put a little bit of tape around the edges?  It might scratch the varnish.  :)  But I'm sure I just do not see it.  The clip may also act as a mute.

Dennys Dantas
Posted: April 5, 2016
Hi! I got really sick in the week before last, and the last week was my college exams week...so I had to stop playing in the meantime...But now I'm back : )

I didn't find this wolf note eliminator here...I found one shop that were ordering one of those, but it will arrive in about 3 months they said...

Until I get one, I'll use this:



It doesn't change much of the violin volume and the C# now sounds normal :D

Thank you for your help and comments

Ray
Posted: March 17, 2016
First, I enjoyed your rendition of French Song. Great intonation and straight bow. A wolf note, as Beth mentioned, occurs when you play a note which just happens to be the same frequency as the violin. To eliminate the 'wolf note' you minutely move the frequency. Not enough to hear so don't worry.  When you use your brass mute or a wolf note eliminator that is what you are doing.  Don't worry this can happen to any quality of instrument. :)))

Nick
Posted: March 17, 2016
This discussion includes members-only video content



Dennys Dantas
Posted: March 17, 2016
Hi Nick, thank you for your help and words. I'll look for those wolf notes eliminators here in Brazil. If I don't find it here, I'll send you an email. Thank you again...

Nick
Posted: March 17, 2016
I forgot to mention, you played this piece very well! You are making excellent progress - bravo!

Don't rely on the heavy brass mute to get rid of a wolf note, you might get rid of the "wolf" but your bowing will suffer if you play too long with a heavy mute. You are doing very well in progressing with your technique; continue learning and progressing without the mute as much as possible, learning how to draw a good sound from the violin can only be achieved without the mute.

Dennys Dantas
Posted: March 17, 2016
I've just made a experience with my heavy brass mute. When I'm using it, the wolf sound doesn't seems to appear. Maybe I should play only with the mute since I just play the violin for practice goals.

Dennys Dantas
Posted: March 17, 2016
Hi Beth! I searched in youtube about the "wolf" and YES, it's the same sound. I can't say exactly if it just started suddenly or have always been there, because I just really started to learn the violin this year, so I'm relatively "new" in playing notes on the fingerboard. I noticed this for the first time about 1,5 month ago. In the moment, I don't have anyone I can take my violin to...

Hi Dianne, I tried this before but I didn't see differences...

Hi Bjrn, you're right...the bridge was leaning to the wrong side. I already adjusted it, but the C# wolf stayed.

Thank you!

Bjrn Larsen
Posted: March 17, 2016
... and also this:


Bjrn Larsen
Posted: March 17, 2016
Hi Dennys

I don't know if I am right, but to me it looks like your bridge is leaning a bit to the "wrong" side (forward). Maybe this could be responsible for the strange sound of the C#. Take a look at this for further explanation:


Bjrn

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 16, 2016
Hi Dennys, that sound you hear is a "wolf".  Unfortunately, there  is not a lot you can do to fix it. It is a flaw with the violin. It is possible that a sound post adjustment will help. Have you always notice this or has it just started? If it has just started, then perhaps there is an adjustment issue. Do you have anyone you can take your violin to?

Dianne
Posted: March 16, 2016
Hi Dennys, I just played a C# on the A-string with full bow hair and got a wavy, course sound. Have you tried it to see if it improved using the edge of the bow hair? Just a thought.

Dennys Dantas
Posted: March 16, 2016
Thank you all for your feedback and nice words!

You got it Dianne! It's exactly that sound at the moments you mentioned that I'm talking about. This noise just happens in this note almost every time I play it, not just in this song. When I play the C natural or D, the noise doesn't appear. Curiously this phenomenon doesn't happen every day, but when it happens, it lasts all the day. I really don't know what invokes the C# monster. I'll investigate more and take a look at the site you posted. Maybe as you and Michael said it can be the transition between notes and the way I'm putting the finger down.


Cynthia Alpers
Posted: March 16, 2016
Wow...very, very good!

~ C

Barbara Habel
Posted: March 16, 2016
Nice straight bowing and great sound. Nothing to complain.

Jaime - Orlando , Fl
Posted: March 15, 2016
Excellent Dennys! Keep it up! :0)

Claudio - So Paulo, Brazil
Posted: March 15, 2016
Very nice Denny's, keep it up! It sounds really good.

Mary Freeman
Posted: March 15, 2016
Great intonation and a nice clean sound
Well Done

Michael Baumgardner
Posted: March 15, 2016
Very nice Dennys.  Your question on the C# is interesting and I know exactly what you are talking about.  If I practice long full bow scale work on the A string the C# always seems to be the last to behave (without a strange noise which is likely just an improperly stopped string).  The cause of it I do not really know, but I have managed to tame it by giving extra practice to hitting that note crisply to stop the string and and being careful not to over press that string.  I suspect it has nothing to do with your stings or even your general technique at this point of your development and simply needs more focused work on the transition from D to C#.  Use  full bow strokes and go from D to C# about a thousand times and I suspect that problem will straighten out over time.   Did for me anyway.  

Elke Meier
Posted: March 15, 2016
Dennys, this was excellent! I can't believe your intonation, nor your straight bow!

Dianne
Posted: March 15, 2016
Wow Dennys! That is so very nice! Everything you did was textbook perfect! Your bow hand looks great, the bowing is straight, you have good sound... You have been working very hard, but I also think you may be a natural.

I did hear at :03 and @ :35 that scratchy noise on the the C# on the "A" string, and it sounded very much like a vibration @ the bridge. Does that sound happen when you play different notes around that C# than the ones you are playing in this song? Does it happen just going to the C# from an open string? It seems like it could be that your fingerboard (although a new instrument) could have a planing issue, in which case you might want to bring it back to the shop where you purchased it and have them listen. Or else if your fine tuners have a separate washer underneath the adjustment screw that might be loose (you may have already checked that when changing strings). Lastly, it could be the way you are putting your 2nd finger down (less likely but worth a try).

The sound on this video is so clear that it should make it easier for others, especially luthiers & teacher, to help troubleshoot for you!

I also found this nice little troubleshooting chart that might be of some help:
http://andytanviolin.com/resources/violin-doctor


Kathleen Lewandowski
Posted: March 15, 2016
I don't know about your C#...but I am really impressed how clean your piece is.  Your bowing and your tone are both very nice!

Ying
Posted: March 15, 2016
Nice.