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Breathing Fire and smoke trying to get one measure right in Seitz #5 1st mov.(not to mention all the others, but one thing at a time)  I've been trying to get this right for weeks and don't seem to be getting anywhere. 

I play it slowly...over and over thinking about where my fingers are going, listening to intonation.......when I think I've got it I play slowly some it.......ok....speed up a little.....still ok......a little more.......bring it up to speed and ....ARGH ! Crash/Burn !

I'm about to give up at this point and move on..... I need a fire and brimstone smiley/frownie thing here......  >:-\
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Posted: November 9, 2011
Last Comment: November 9, 2011

Posted: November 9, 2011
Ha all....thanks for the

Beth, it's the first half of measure # 80....and the same thing again in the next bar down.  It's that 4th finger that keeps tripping me up, which of course is the first note.  After that all my fingers sort of bunch together and trip over each other and my brain can't remember where to tell them all to go and when.

Anne, thank you very much for that advice !  I like both of those suggestions and will give them a go round tomorrow am.   I do know I'm supposed to remain calm and for the most part I do but this morning I'd "had" it !  So much so that I put the thing down for a few minutes to publicly vent here at VLab...hehe     It seems sometimes at though the more I work on something...the "worse" it gets instead of better and this is one of those areas.   I don't remember having so much trouble with this section of the piece until I actually got serious about  it...oye !

Patricia....haha.....yeah....good thing the shredder is "upstairs" and not in the same room or......that event might take place !  x-D    Thank you for checking that out in your book !   There have been a few times in this journey when I've actually fantasized about wailing the violin against the wall and then onto the floor and across the room.....though that would probably make everyone else in the house throw a party.......I get horribly traumatized just thinking about such a thing !!   <:-O   *shudder*

Hey's always good to have someone to laugh and commiserate with !  x-D

Anne aMaudPowellFan
Posted: November 9, 2011
Here is a tip about speeding up a difficult fast passage: Play it slowly, but with very short strokes like you would in faster tempo. As soon as you have finished the short stroke, change finger and bow very quickly and precisely, like lightening, and then pause before playing the next note. Then play groups of notes, like two or three, in tempo and pause again, quickly preparing the next note. Make the pauses before the difficult notes. Make the sections that you play longer and longer. Introduce new pauses at the spots where you crash. Do this until you can play the whole passage.

This is much more effective than speeding up gradually, since you train to be fast.

Another method is to play the passage in different rhythms, such as a dotted eighth followed by a sixteenth, and a sixteenth followed by a dotted eighth, and by groups of two, three or four notes in quick succession, followed by a pause. This way you also train yourself to be quick at different places in the music.

Keep your cool, too. Each spot that doesn't work is just showing you what you need to concentrate on. That's information. Use it, don't fight it.

I tried this recently when I had to get ready the first violin part of the Beethoven C major mass within a month. It is not really virtuosic, like Paganini, but very nasty, with lots of difficult finger patterns, string crossings and shifts. I was invited to play with a project orchestra of professionals and I really wanted to make this work. And I did, just in time. I was desperate, so I was ready to try something new. Two or days before the concert I was really sailing through all the difficult spots. Didn't really get into the flow of the last, much slower movement, but anyway, it was really challenging and fun.

You can do it, Eileen. I know you are determined. You just need the right tools. Let us know if it works for you.

Posted: November 9, 2011

Eileen, please donít shred the book like I once almost did. Iím not up to Vol. 4th  yet, but I know exactly the way you feel.

By the way, I have William Starrís book that has information directly from Shinichi Suzuki himself in reference to certain difficult measures in all of his books. I will be posting what I read if the measure you are having trouble with is mentioned in William Starrís book.


Posted: November 9, 2011
AHAHAHAH sounds like me and vivaldi summer 1st movement LOL I am ok up to 60% of the speed then I start having 'car (or shall I say violin) crashes' LOL

Beth Blackerby
Posted: November 9, 2011
Which measure Eileen?