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Shaheen Saliahmohamed
So I got myself an acoustagrip shoulder pad and flesch stye centre moutned chinrest all which finally make me more comfortable on my violin.
Only that the chinrest touches my tailpiece that seems to have an unusually high arch...
What should I do?
Get someone to carve the bottom of the chinrest to fit or change the tailpiece?

There aren't anyshops that sell violin parts, I need to order all of them from abroad :/
Shaheen Saliahmohamed
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Posted: July 27, 2018
Last Comment: August 9, 2018
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Dianne
Posted: August 9, 2018
Moving The Rest Around I Got It To Fit
Well, when installing the Berber, and before fully tightening down the legs, I found that there was a lot of play in the seating of the rest. I could move it back and forth and from side to side. When perfectly centering the rest over the tailpiece, and mounting it flush with the back of the violin, it hit the tailpiece.

There is a curvature of the top plate from the rib. It is very pronounced on the violin I am using. The top feet of the chin rest do not fully clear the ribs, so they sit both on the ribs and the top plate, and therefore the feet are not making full flush contact with the top plate. I think because of this, there is a lot of play in the seating of the rest and the clearing of the tailpiece. 

I am glad I got my new chin rest to fit properly after a lot of experimentation. When I first posted today, I had the rest back a bit, but the top feet were then just making contact with the ribs and that was not good. So now I have a more even displacement of pressure on the top plate and ribs by installing it flush with the back of the violin and just slightly right of center of the tailpiece.

Hope this makes sense!


Shaheen Saliahmohamed
Posted: August 9, 2018
Hi Diane,

sorry just saw your response, I don't understand, can you explain how you cleared up the space? :)

Dianne
Posted: August 8, 2018
Chin Rest Hitting Tailpiece
It's interesting that I ran into the Berber chin rest hitting the tailpiece situation yesterday.

I ordered a Berber chin rest from a violin shop that I had never ordered from before, and the Berber chin rest came with carving underneath that was quite different from the one I had ordered from another shop. This new Berber was not carved straight through to the back, but was only carved partway. It hit my tailpiece when I installed it.

At first, I was going to return it, but tried backing it off just a bit, and then there was plenty of clearance. This was the first time I ran into this, and thought this might apply to your Flesch chin rest as well.

Christiane
Posted: July 28, 2018
I probably should keep out of this discussion, since it's so very, very frustrating. 
I can't give advice, either, since I can't help myself.  I've ordered a lot of bits and pieces (yes, also from China, though being on a bigger island than you, Shaheen, supplies here are not always easy to get and much more expensive), to make my own shoulder rest that complements my new Wave chin rest.  That's the problem, you change one, you have to adjust the other, so its going round in circles...

Then I suddenly had a brainwave to cure the slipping violin.  I'm now using a wide elastic band, that just fits over my head, sits tight on my neck, that I loop around my chin rest.  That stops me squeezing and relieves tension in my neck. :
Not an elegant solution, I know, but who cares, if it works...and it's very discreet.

Thinking that I wasn't the first one to think of that idea, I searched the internet the violin in place.  I tried a few (free ones that were described), but like my neck-band still the best. Can't bear stuff cutting in under my arms.  One day, after I've doctored around a bit more with shoulder rests, I may try to make a violin valet (www.violinvalet.com), that appears the most sensible solution.



Shaheen Saliahmohamed
Posted: July 28, 2018
I was also looking into SAS but read reviews bout it being unstable with single anchor point and high.....
 Also confused what configuration suits me best: high chin rest and low shoulder rest or high shoulder low chin.

I think im settling into low chin high shoulder rest for now... I also ordered a soft leather shield for my chin rest that also covers tailpiece on its way slowly from China...

Maybe I'll eventually get a lower shoulder pad to try with the violin housing the paganini chinrest and figure out what works best...

It is such an individual pursuit but so interesting to know how other found their way. Thanks again Elke :)


Elke Meier
Posted: July 28, 2018
I found the Paganini a bit more comfortable than the new Flesch. I can't remember what I used it with. I think I used it for a while still with the Acoustagrip, but I had a very "modified" Acoustagrip with all sorts of parts cut away. I do not like to have a high shoulder rest, as it makes my arms even heavier when I have to hold the violin. I also used it with my very basic "carpet-anti-slip" shoulder pad (just this anti slip material you put under a carpet rolled into the right shape and fixed with a rubber band) and my custom foam shoulder pad (the same as the anti-slip material, just normal foam cut to the right shape). 

Setup was a REAL challenge for me for a very long time. My fingers would go numb in no time with most shoulder rests I tried. The best is what I have right now, which was VERY expensive, the second best was the Acousta grip. Right now I use a SAS chin rest and a Korfker shoulder rest. As I said it is very expensive but it is the thing that allows me to play - at least most of the time. Today was another day where I gave up after 20min of having my fingers go numb, having to "wake them up" again, just to have the same happen after another 3min of playing. I have exercises that really, really help me and when I am consistent with them I have no problems any more. Just, they take a lot of time and that was something that was in rather scarce supply lately...

Shaheen Saliahmohamed
Posted: July 28, 2018
Thanks for your input Elke. can i ask what shoulder rest you use?
I actually have a Paganini too. I said Flesch as i thought it was better known.
I finally mounted it on a beginner violin that had a tailpiece that allowed it to sit it, just to see how it really feels to play with it along with the acoustagrip shoulder pad.

I actually find it a wee bit high... eve though I trust I have a long neck too.

I also got a mulko plastic chin rest side mounted. It was only 5 and heard good reviews about it, it's very low. I mounted that on my current violin, that in combination with acoustagrip feels better in terms of height, my chin rests on the tail piece...

Elke Meier
Posted: July 28, 2018
For quite some I used a center mounted Paganini chinrest which I had raised close to 1 cm (not because of the tailpiece but because of my neck...) with cork padding. It worked reasonably well. This much padding made the chinrest a bit unstable (probably mostly because I had decided not to glue the padding to the chinrest but rather just squeeze it in). At first I had cut apart a cork coaster but that was not a good idea: There must have been glue or something in the coaster which left a mark on the varnish of my violin... Later I used special unprocessed cork. Unfortunately I cannot remember where I got that. It was a bit more work since that was thinner but it did not harm the varnish.

Dianne
Posted: July 28, 2018
I think it depends on the tailpiece height. I just measured my Berber chin rest, and from the bottom of the cork to the top of the curved opening it measures 18.5 mm. Maybe try measuring the opening of the Flesch to see how it compares. There is very little clearance for me between the Berber and the tailpiece, but mine does not make contact with the tailpiece. I use both a hill and a standard round ebony tailpiece on my violins, and it just clears (No contact but no room there either!). On the Shar website, I saw a review that said the Berber hit their tailpiece. Measuring is probably the only way to tell for sure. Good luck.

Shaheen Saliahmohamed
Posted: July 28, 2018
Thanks for your response!
I didn't see the warning, but I was also looking at the berber chinrest, I like that it is in the center and goes on to the left too in case I want to rest my jaw..
I think ill trade for a berber, that fits over the tailpiece better you say?

Dianne
Posted: July 28, 2018
You could also try shimming it with another thin layer of cork to get the extra clearance you need- it will add a bit of height though. Just a thought.

Dianne
Posted: July 27, 2018
Hello Shaheen, Glad you have a setup that feels comfortable. The stringzone website has lots of comments and even a warning about that very thing when ordering the Flesch chinrest- it might not fit. Some return it, some carve out the chin rest and some take the violin to a luthier and change to a flatter tailpiece. They must really like the chin rest to do that!

My favorite chin rest is the Berber center mounted, because it gives me a little height that I need, and it fits my jaw. I added just a little padding (not much) to my shoulder rest for a perfect fit. However, in doing so I noticed that the sound of the violin changes for me dramatically (dampened) with an ebony versus boxwood chin rest change. So if you are not able to go into a shop and try a bunch to see what fits and sounds the best, and can only order, it seems you may have to either return it and try another style, or else carve some space out of the chin rest to get it to fit over the tailpiece, if you prefer that chin rest. Good luck.