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Jon Keightley
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Hello, 
Would appreciate bit of feedback on my bow hold. I've not had a teacher so not sure if i'm doing it right.
Is there something in there i can work with or do i need to go back and relearn from scratch.
Thanks
Jon
Jon Keightley
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Posted: May 16, 2018
Last Comment: June 4, 2018
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Jon Keightley
Posted: June 4, 2018
Thanks Beth, it's great to hear some positive feedback. 
I went to a session the other day and had few people say my tone had improved so it obviously has made a difference. 
I spent 3 years holding a guitar pick the wrong way so at least i caught this one early.
Cheers

Beth Blackerby
Posted: June 1, 2018

Jon. I noticed a HUGE improvement!! Listen again to your previous video. Do you hear how the sound looses focus, especially at the tip. Your two videos are a perfect example of the superiority of your improved bow hold. I couldn't have demonstrated it more effectively. The proof certainly is in the pudding in this case!!

Good for you!!  I think your bow hold is great. Now keep sending the message to your bow hold that it must stay relaxed. All the points are responsive and passive to the motions of the bow. The prevailing analogy is that they act like shock absorbers. You want the shocks of a big American luxury car, not the tight shocks of a European sports car.

Dean
Posted: May 31, 2018
Maybe more space between the second and third finger, just my opinion because in the Galamian book it says that only one finger touches the frog. The thumb does stay bent. In the first video your pinkie finger should bend and not be straight (unless you are at the very bottom of the bow stroke). Basically try to flatten out the hand more by curling the fingers. Just what I believe.

Jon Keightley
Posted: May 31, 2018
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Been practicing my bow hold a lot since posting and thought id post my progress. I haven't noticed my tone improving yet, but i find it a lot more comfortable and am pleased ive taken the effort to change.


Jon Keightley
Posted: May 17, 2018
Thank you for the replies. Found them all helpful.
Have made some adjustments and even though ive only had 2 practice sessions with it so far, i feel like i have improved already. So very positive and exciting.
Thanks again.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: May 16, 2018
Thanks for the comparison video, Elke. I think that's always helpful. 

Jon, great to meet you, and I'm so glad you posted a video now! It's important to get the bow hold correct from the start and overcome any bad habits before they're cemented not your subconscious. 

 While I think you're drawing a pretty good sound, it's mainly due to the fact that you have enough weight in the bow. However, your bow hold right now is very stiff, and that will create lots of issues later down the road. I'm going to give you a list of videos to watch. I'd love to see what impact they have and what you do after watching them.

The video numbers are: 7, 8,22, 26,  76, 84, 89, 90, 

Elke Meier
Posted: May 16, 2018
Hi Jon, nice playing! Even with a bow hold that might need some attention :).  I don't think you have to relearn from scratch, but there are some very significant differences between how Beth teaches the bow hold and how you hold your bow. And those things will probably hinder your tone if they are not attended to.

I have included a screenshot from your video and a screenshot from Beth's video introducing the bow hold side by side - I think that shows very clearly the areas that could use some attention. The  most obvious is the pinky. A straight pinky like you have it here is a wonderful foundation for a dancing bow... The pinky needs to be able to serve as a "shock absorber", balancing the bow. That is not possible if it is all straight and stiff. 

The other thing that caught my immediate attention is the first finger. That one is also for balancing the bow and for making sure you have good tone even at the tip, but if you have it "wrapped" around the stick it will not be able to play this role properly.  

Make sure you watch the first bow hold video where Beth explains how to "set up" the bow hold. Or put "bow hold" in the search field of the video library and you will get a better selection. Or - to get the full spiel - click on the key word "bow hold" at the bottom of the video library page :). 


Dianne
Posted: May 16, 2018
Hi Jon, There are so many places to go on here for great instruction on the Franco Belgian bow hold. (The Russian bow hold is much different and deeper into the hand.) If you watch Beth's video response in this thread starting at 1:00 in, Beth shows the contact point of the bow on the index finger. (This is just one place other than the main bow hold videos in the Video Lessons Page where she describes it.) I think just moving the contact point of the index finger might move the rest of your bow hold fingers to more of a curved shape. Then you'll have it! Hope this helps.


Jon Keightley
Posted: May 16, 2018
Oops. Thank you, will sort that.

Elke Meier
Posted: May 16, 2018
Jon, you need to set you video to "Unlisted" in Youtube, otherwise nobody but you can see it.