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Beth Blackerby
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Hi everyone. Here are the settings for Intonia.

Click Option menu and set to A = 440 unless you want the default 442. (Europeans tend to favor 442). 

Click "View" and select to have letters on grid lines.

Set to D Major Pythagorean tuning. Violinists like this tuning system best.

Beth Blackerby
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Posted: March 5, 2018
Last Comment: March 17, 2018
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Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 17, 2018
Sonia, thanks! That's very helpful.

Sonia Lancaster
Posted: March 17, 2018
Thanks Nicola, useful information.

Beth, you can change the colours unsung the “colors” tab from the menu bar. I did this to save the confusion!

Sonia

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 17, 2018
I just bought Musicwrench, and I do like it. You can play whatever you are working on and it will track your playing and show you your notes on a staff, which Intonia doesn't do. I am having to adjust translating the red and blue colors though, as they're opposite of Intonia color scheme. It will also track you to a metronome. Pretty good for $10. I'll try Ctuner next.

Nicola Salmoria
Posted: March 17, 2018
Sonia,
I didn't subscribe to Music Wrench, instead I did the single in-app purchase that unlocks everything forever (I think it's $9.99).

In "songs" mode you can play only the provided songs, so I think this feature has limited usefulness.

However, in "practice" mode you can play anything you want, the app automatically records so you can review how you played, much like Intonia, but with the advantage that double stops are accurately evaluated.

I found the "scales" mode more useful than "songs". However I think the app is way too forgiving with the score it gives you at the end :-)


Sonia Lancaster
Posted: March 17, 2018
Hi Nicola
Have you subscribed to Music Wrench? If so do you think it’s worth it? Can you use it on your own pieces, not just the “songs” provided?

Thanks
Sonia

Mohammed Hajjar
Posted: March 17, 2018
There is an app for iPhone called "Ctuner" and I think it does the same job as Intonia.  If you set it to Chromatic mode, then you can analyze every note that you play (based on yellow/green/red colors). and at the same time you can choose whether you want it at 440HZ/441/etc.

Graphically it's easier to comprehend.

Nicola Salmoria
Posted: March 16, 2018
To check intonation on iPhone I've been using an app called Music Wrench.

It is specifically designed for violin. The user interface is a bit confusing, but it works well and it understands double stops! When you play a double stop, it shows the intonation of the two individual notes, AND whether they are in tune to each other.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 11, 2018
Ann, any practice approach is fine. I think aiming for a few notes with the white lines, 3Xs in a row is good. It shows the muscles are retaining memory. 

Also, working with equal temperament is fine, honestly. I mean, if you heard a performer with perfect intonation with the Pythagorean and then with the Equal, both performance would sound completely in tune, it's just the Pythagorean would sound more expressive as the leading tones to the tonic and 4th note of the scale would be closer, which to our ears creates a little more tension. I personally would only tune with Equal if I was going to perform with a live pianist.

Ann Meeker
Posted: March 11, 2018
Question about Pythagorean vs Equal temperament.  Am I confused in thinking that we should practice at Equal temperament if we are or plan to play with piano accompaniment?  And if that is true and since all my pieces at this stage anyway are for piano accompaniment. . . .??

Ann Meeker
Posted: March 11, 2018
When you say "aim for THREE solid straight white lines" -- does that mean 3x on each note of the piece before progressing to the next note?  or is it referring more to the backup-3-notes-to-try-again-rather-than-wiggling-into-tune?  I suppose both options are good-:>, but just wondering.

Oh boy, of all the practice steps to date this is my biggee.  I just started working with Intonia after Beth's tips on my last video, 50% of notes were deep blue or red, ai-yi-yi.  Very happy to find this out as it feels progress here will have a major impact in my forward progress.  Thank you for this excellent video.  

Alan Barnicoat
Posted: March 7, 2018
Sorry, I should have included the original - of course written for cello - see below. What I included in my previous posting was a transcription for violin --I purchased all of the Suites recently, transposed for violin, thinking that I might try the Prelude someday. I've always loved them long before I ever considered playing an instrument of any kind. 

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 7, 2018
Alan, that may be what the original has. I was actually copying an arrangement. If you prefer the C#, then feel free to change it. I'll have to play it to see what I like best too.

Kara
Posted: March 7, 2018
I downloaded the app on my android because I like to use my phone for recording and tuning/metronome, etc. So this is extremely helpful and easy to use for intonation practice! Thanks!

Ted Adachi
Posted: March 7, 2018
Hi Alan,
If you play that double stop then you may notice that you are playing the third and fifth of the A major triad so that an A is a good and interesting compromise.

However, I have to say that this piece is difficult enough for me without making it more difficult!

Alan Barnicoat
Posted: March 7, 2018
One Note
I've been listening to many versions of this Gavotte -especially Mischa Maisky's to which I am now hopelessly addicted.  After focusing on pitches with Intonia for the first time yesterday, I listened again to Maisky's version and one note jumped out at me as being different  from ours which I had not noticed before.  In our version, measure 26  begins with an A, but he plays it as a C Sharp. See below. Just wondering if anyone else noticed.  I like how it sounds with the C, although I find the A easier to play.  (at moments like this friends tend to tell me that I need to get out more.)


Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 7, 2018
Dianne, I think double stop tuning is best down with the ear anyway. I haven't found a good program to do that yet. In the case of double stops, you have to listen for the blend, which, if perfect, then comforts to the Just intonation system which relies on those perfect ratios of wavelength.

Dianne
Posted: March 7, 2018
Hi, a couple of things I am wanting to learn more about, and that may go beyond the scope of this practice step, is how to check for correct double stop tuning with a tuning tool (I don't think one exists), and also I have read extensively about Just intonation and Pythagorean tuning, but how can one apply these during double stop playing? If I could read a chart comparing notes values on the violin with fingering examples, that would be great, but haven't found one yet.

Ok, I see we use Just intonation on 3rds and 6ths in DS. But I need to spend much, much more time on this in order to make the adjustments correctly during a piece.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 6, 2018
I didn't know it was available for Android. Golly, I wish he would do an Apple version.

Thanks for this info!

An alternative to working at the desk top, but still being able to view an entire piece is to record it on the phone, import the audio to your desk top, then import the file into Intonia that way.

Elke Meier
Posted: March 6, 2018
Here is the link to the Android app. Since I have the app I hardly use the PC version any more. The only time I go back to the PC version is when I want to record a whole piece and check intonation to see bad patterns. The app only keeps in memory the last three minutes of playing but it is perfect for the kind of practice Beth introduced here, because like Amanda, I like to have the smartphone right before instead of having to look back and forth between the computer screen and the music on the stand.

The smartphone is fixed on my music stand (see below). When I had it just propped against the music I was always afraid I would accidentally knock it over at some point. I am very happy with this setup now.





Jaime - Orlando , Fl
Posted: March 6, 2018
Thank you teacher and thanks Amanda! I will be looking into it! :o)

Mandy Lotter
Posted: March 6, 2018
Intonia phone app
Hi Jaime,

After watching Beth's excellent video, I discovered that Intonia has an app for it for Android phones. You can find it in the Google Play Store. I downloaded it for free and then immediately upgraded it to the $7.99 professional version. It is brilliant and I can prop my phone up on the music stand and keep an eye on my music and how I'm doing on intonation all at the same time. The sound quality is good too - better than my computer speakers. I'm not very computer savvy, so I hope it's o.k. for me to have typed out the names of places and prices. I'll have to get my son to teach me how to do links in future!

Barbara Habel
Posted: March 6, 2018
I am playing a lot with my teacher accompanying me at the piano. The piano is tuned at 442 Hertz. And I use Equal Temperament with Intonia to make that work.

Elke Meier
Posted: March 6, 2018
Wow, thank you Beth, that was very interesting indeed. I can't practice right now, as I am one of the 35000 new cases in Germany last week of this very heavy flu :). But I could watch the video. This has been one of my favorite ways to practice with Intonia and it was very good to see you recommend it. So my intuition got me on the right track on this one :) :).

It was so helpful to hear you explain the perception of pitch on the basis of the pythagorean tuning. I have been wondering so many times why what I perceived as right and what had seemed right all of a sudden showed up as wrong (see the C# example in the video). I never thought about this as a possible effect of pythagorean tuning! Thank you!

My biggest problem with this is that the moment I go back from the long notes to the normal rhythm my hand seems to revert to the old problems again and to forget what it was supposed to learn...  

Beth Blackerby
Posted: March 5, 2018
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Jaime, Here's more info about using it. I have a video in the Library on it, and recently made a response video showing my new favorite way to use it. These will give you more info on set up.

Ted Adachi
Posted: March 5, 2018
Hi Jaime,
Intonia is not free but at $25 they are almost giving it away. On top of that there is a free 30 day trial so as long as your computer can run it, then it's almost a no-brainer. Go to http://intonia.com/index.shtml

If, like me, you have an old mac though, it will not run as it needs OSX 10.7 or higher.

Jaime - Orlando , Fl
Posted: March 5, 2018
Hi Beth!
So you mention the app name is INTONIA? Is it a free app?
The Pythagorean tuning... is it one of the options to use within INTONIA?
Thanks in advance! :0)