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Patrick Coleman
Hi all!

Iíve finally recovered a bit from my cold, so Iíve recorded a video of the piece and a video of my comments.

Iíve been working on this about 6 weeks and itís beginning to feel more connected.  Iím still working on learning the right fingerings and smoothing out the phrasing and tempo.

Because it was late evening and I live in a condo, Iíve played this with a mute.  I hope itís not too much of a compromise on tone.  Iíll see if I can record without the mute during a reasonable hour.

Questions -

1. How do you uncover those little mistakes from bad habits created years ago?  Iíve always focused on tone but not so much on counting, rhythm, or correct bowing.  Now that I think Iíve got the basic outline, I want to make it correct in rhythm and bowing.

2. Iím thinking about ordering a book and CD for the Suzuki method.  Which level would be best?  Iíd like to start on the more basic side of my skill and get rid of little gremlins.

3. Whatís the next step in refinement?  I still hear some fuzz.  Any thoughts on whatís causing it?

For some reason I donít see an option on YouTube to get embed code for the videos using my iPad, so Iíve linked the videos instead.  Itís my first time uploading here so please let me know if I can simplify or improve the video.

Thanks!

Patrick
Seattle, WA
Patrick Coleman
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Posted: December 17, 2017
Last Comment: December 19, 2017
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Patrick Coleman
Posted: December 19, 2017
Thank you!
Beth,

Those were all great points and give me a direction to go with my practice.  Iíll refine it (probably for at least a few weeks) and post again.

Thanks again!

Patrick

Beth Blackerby
Posted: December 18, 2017
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Frieda
Posted: December 18, 2017
Impressive, love your sound and vibrato!

Patrick Coleman
Posted: December 17, 2017
@Frieda,

Thank you!  I have played from 5th grade to second year of college, and then stopped.  Iím picking it up again after 25 years.

@Ray,

I havenít used software to combine parts and compare - thatís a very interesting idea.  So far I use a metronome and when I donít understand the written music I find a video on YouTube that shows the score while it is being played.  I like the software idea too!

Frieda
Posted: December 17, 2017
Hi Patrick,
Very well done and the videoís of Beth will help you a lot with all your questions! I noticed that you have a very stretched left pinky, just like me 😀! I am working on that but my teacher doesnít mind...
Thanks for sharing and... how many years are you playing the violin?

Ray
Posted: December 17, 2017

I know that you do not need advice from someone with my skill level, but on the subject of rhythm here is part of what has worked for me.  Mentioning this more from a stand point of learning what you use so that I can improve.  

I will transfer Beth's playing (with the piano, but not the ensemble), to Grarageband.  Now I can make subsequent track(s) while listening to Beth playing the same part.  The tracks that make I can now listen for where I went astray.  I make sure I mark these areas on the score sheet.  If you use this method, move the left headphone off your ear so that you are able to both hear Beth on the right and your playing on the left.

If, after a few try's I can not keep up, I transfer Beth's track to Anytune Pro which allows me to make any size loops and I can slow down the tempo with no degradation in quality.

What do you use?

Best,

Ray

Maria
Posted: December 17, 2017
That is correct Patrick...

Gudnite...

Patrick Coleman
Posted: December 17, 2017
Okay, I think Iíve found the series: lessons 284-397, is that correct?

Thanks,

Patrick

Patrick Coleman
Posted: December 17, 2017
Beth,

Thank you for your input!  No, I was not previously aware of the study series on this piece.  I may have found it courtesy of Mary, below.  Can you please confirm and/or let me know where the entire series is at?  Iíve also found the sheet music with fingerings in the Resources section and Iím currently studying that.

I would like to go through your material and learn it as you would instruct.  For me this piece is currently hacked together with some poor habits and minimal complexity just so that I can hear the notes.  I do love this piece and itís a breakthrough for me to be learning it, but as much as I enjoy playing it I also need to keep working on improving it.

I want to work on this piece in the ďnewĒ personal habit of tempered fingering, bowing, and tempo.  I think it would currently be likened to a drawing that has the rough outline but needs more contour and value.

Thanks,

Patrick

Beth Blackerby
Posted: December 17, 2017
Patrick, thank you for sharing your Meditation with us! Great playing! You already have a refined musical technical palette for this piece. I will get back to you with a video response with some further suggestions. Just wondering if you saw that I had a series of videos on this piece?  I go phrase by phrase and also have my version with Maxim Vengerov's fingerings. You mentioned adding fingerings to add more sophistication. While I always liked my fingerings, I thought it would be a fun project to notate Vengerov's sinceI love his playing so much.

Janice Branley
Posted: December 17, 2017
That's so inspiring to hear such lovely playing.  It is a very special piece and you did it justice from beginning to end.  I would have liked you to linger just a little more on the important crescendo notes to fully enjoy the release of that great tone, even with the heavy mute, the tone/vibrato was shining through.

Patrick Coleman
Posted: December 17, 2017
Thank you!

@Mary, thanks for sharing!  Iíll check out Bethís tutorial on the piece - I did not know about that.

Thinking back to high school, I donít think I ever did something this difficult, so taking the piece this far is telling me that Iím learning and improving as an adult.  But just as youíve said, the tempo and phrasing can still be developed.  Time to get out the metronome.  I also want to do the right positions and fingerings, and not just the right notes.

Itís a rush just being able to play it all the way through!  Now I need to keep improving.

@Maria, thank you.  Like you I find the descending shifts to be very hard.  When the shift involves a larger distance and is descending thatís what typically challenges me.  I practice these shifts slowly to get the right intonation and then repeat until it feels natural.  Then, I try to speed up and maintain the intonation.

Mary Freeman
Posted: December 17, 2017
http://violinlab.com/videoLibrary/lesson.php?id=208 Beth has a long tutorial on this Piece starting with this video. You sound amazing. I would try playing it a bit slower in order to savor certain passages. Well done. Thanks so much for posting this. Very inspiring

Maria
Posted: December 17, 2017
Congratulations Patrick!

That was beautiful, imagine without the mute on...

You have 100% mastered all the passages and what an accomplishment...! 

Now, looking forward to hearing your playing without that sound constricting muting device.







If you don't mind me saying...As I pause and reflect on this piece it reminded me of myself as a child trying to learn and say/pray the rosary completely including the 5 mysteries+litanias while feeling/moving the beads ascending and descending which I find more difficult!


As for fingering and bowing I am following the manuscript but def. not entirely I will minus and add my own take on this. Some may call me Cimarron but it's alright, my late father used to call me that since I was  a toddler!    :))

Thank you much for making and sharing this video... Glad also that you're feeling much better!

Maria
Posted: December 17, 2017
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Maria
Posted: December 17, 2017
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attaching your video here Patrick...Still watching it