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Ayoub
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Hello Dear Family, 

I hope that all of you are ok :) 

I've finally finished learning Vivaldi's concerto, it still needs alot of work and i played it with a tempo of 63 ish, and there are ofcourse the trills which i still can't seem to get them rythmically, So wish me luck :)

I hope you'll enjoy it
Any advices are always welcome


Ayoub
16 Responses
Posted: January 9, 2017
Last Comment: January 13, 2017
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Dianne
Posted: January 13, 2017
<<I really didn't notice b4, this bad habit came back to haunt me, i really do want to know how to fix it, of course the obvious is lowering the elbow, which i did in this video to some extent because it was so difficult to manage it, but the problem that i feel is my shoulder muscle is burning because of it, so my question is , is it the level of my elbow correct or does it even have to go lower than this (in the video below)>>

Hi Ayoub, as far as your burning shoulder, you could be using new muscles, but I wanted to just mention that you have terrific posture. As a violinist, it's important to open up the chest when you play, but at the same time, you don't want to lift up the arms to the point where they are not relaxed in their sockets. I used to play that way as well, and I had to learn to relax both shoulders, yet still keep the upper right arm relaxed and immobile, while it does it's job of keep the string level right.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 11, 2017
WOW! Sorry for the false start. I'll have the edited version up momentarily. I'm glad it helped!

Juan Pablo Pimienta
Posted: January 11, 2017
Ayoub I loved your playing. You have great things going on here. First your bow arm is excellent!! Felxible and responsive. You have great finger action especially for the faster passages, that is just amazing.
My only suggestion would be on your shifting. I can hear your shift which in this piece you want to avoid. If it is the case that you are working on a romantic piece glissandos and portamentos are great resources to add expression to your playing but Vivaldi's concerto is not the case. So I'd say try masking your shift in such a way that is almost inaudible.

Keep on playing man!!!

Juan.

Ayoub
Posted: January 11, 2017
@CC
Thanks A million :) 
Really glad you liked this piece, it's always a pleasure to play a piece by Vivaldi <3

CC
Posted: January 11, 2017
I really learned so much from Beth's tutorial. Ayoub, you have inspired me to learn this piece so I am bookmarking this thread. Great work!!!!

Ayoub
Posted: January 11, 2017
@Beth
First of all, really thank you for making a video response, that really motivated me, you could say i'm on cloud nine right now lol, 

Really loved your advices on bowings and how to shape the music, because the sheet that i have really doesn't have anything, i just watched a lot of soloists playing this piece and added on the sheet what i thought i heard, ( few staccatos here and there ), some also added a lot of slurs.

and on the issue of the elbow level, it was easy to make the change but the hard part really as you said is not going back to that bad habit, so that's going to take a lot of effort, but i'm going to do my best. 

Thank you so much for your encouragement, and i really appreciate everything that you taught me, being a part of this great community is really an amazing privilege.

Best Regards

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 11, 2017
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Here's the link to my edits.


Ying
Posted: January 11, 2017
Much improved. But could you try to get it so that your elbow is not so exaggeratedly low when you are at the frog? In this way your wrist are really bent and you cannot really use the weigh of your arm to push the bow into the string. Maybe try to put the bow at the frog and then adjust your arm so that your wrist are as straight as you can get it (won't be totally straight) and then feel the weight of your upper arm drop down and pull the bow using that weight. Feel how the bow hairs stick to the string and pull slowly.

Unfortunately no one filmed at the open day where i played for the music school. Was a very strange situation and to make it more strange the lid of the piano closed down on my pianist as we were almost done with the piece and he had to hold up the lid while finishing with one hand! lol!

CC
Posted: January 10, 2017
Very beautiful. I loved it so much I downloaded the sheet music from both IMSLP and Virtual Sheet music. Neither had the fingering or the bowing on the music.  Did you work out your own or is it on your music? Is it from a book?  I noticed you slurred some of the notes. I really liked your arrangement. I'm looking forward to Beth's response. 

Ayoub
Posted: January 10, 2017
@Dianne
Thank you, i'm really glad you like it 
Can't wait to see your progress 

@MsPolkadotz
I'm always glad to read your comments, thank you so much for your support, 
actually this piece is one of my favorites you can check this video on youtube

https://youtu.be/7IYizoYEKAY?list=LLPbcmC5E0NpadOpcfM2QPew


@Ying
Wow it's been a long time my friend am glad to hear from you again, honestly i'm really glad that Beth made me notice it cuz i really didn't notice it, i thought before that i fixed it but apparently i need to put a lot of work to fix this bad habit, 

I really hope to see a video of you performing, thank you for everything :)


@Maria
Thank you for taking the time to comment, your words made me happy, 
I'm glad you liked it 

Much appreciated 
Looking forward to see you progress  

Ayoub
Posted: January 10, 2017
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Lower Elbow
@Beth
Hello it's so great to hear from you again :)
I really didn't notice b4, this bad habit came back to haunt me, i really do want to know how to fix it, of course the obvious is lowering the elbow, which i did in this video to some extent because it was so difficult to manage it, but the problem that i feel is my shoulder muscle is burning because of it, so my question is , is it the level of my elbow correct or does it even have to go lower than this (in the video below)

i would love to know how to get rid of this bad habit, 

Thank you so much for taking the time to comment :) 

Much obliged.



Maria
Posted: January 10, 2017

If I do not comment it's usually because it's absolutely perfect and great I thought my comment won't matter anymore...

To add--- I have not much time left and doing so many things most of it reading, reading, reading or watching subjects that fascinates me.


But I can't resist, so I am posting a comment...I'd like to say your sound is so pure, piercing and golden I was glued to the couch. Whatever your secret to produce that magnificent sound, please keep and guard it...


Hats off and dozen flowers- you def. deserve it!

I would like to reward you a jade encrusted bow, sadly I'm not from royal lineage.
[Facts: Jade to Asian/Chinese are precious like diamonds and more revered]



Ying
Posted: January 10, 2017
Ayoub, that was so good. Always impressed by how much you manage to make a piece sound as polished as possible. I too can't help staring at you right elbow and shoulder. It sometimes causes your bow to smack down a bit when you come quickly from the air onto a down bow. I've did a lot of practice lately with first dropping the upper arm when going from a up bow to a down bow so that the weight of the arm pulls the bow down. Sometimes one can get away with some bad technique but i realized that it would always come back and bite me when i'm having to perform on stage. Then that high arm combined with some nerves will make your bow jump around like mad!! Last sunday i played the Legende by Wieniawski and i was determined not to have a bouncing bow! Of course it wasn't all gone but i felt i could controlled better then in the past.
Give it some thought and i'm sure it's something you can fix with a bit of work. You're doing so well.

Beth Blackerby
Posted: January 9, 2017
Hi Ayoub, you always surprise me when I see a new video from you. You make tremendous progress! However, the issue you had months ago with having an elbow level that is too high, is still plaguing you. And now it's becoming more of a problem, because as you are playing faster music, the tone is becoming more unfocused. For 16th notes, we have to have more weight in the string to create enough friction to get those violin strings vibrating back and forth so quickly. In order to do that, your right arm has to be more relaxed. Your upper arm is a bit frozen at the shoulder. The shoulder should always be chasing level as we go from string to strip and should never be higher than the fingers. The freeze frame of your video shows how your elbow is above the fingers because you're keeping it raised too high.  And that tension is keeping you from pulling the maximum amount of sound from the strings. I hear some skating around with the bow.  Really work on this, because I think you have the potential for creating an amazing, expressive sound! As incentive for fixing this issue, I'll give you some great tips on improving your Vivaldi. So post a video soon with a relaxed, hanging upper arm. 

MsPolkadotz
Posted: January 9, 2017
That was a beautiful performance😊
I'm so inspired by your progress! You're bow arm is just amazing😌
You've come so far Ayoub! Really well done.
How did you come to choose this piece? It's very beautiful. 


Dianne
Posted: January 9, 2017
Very nice playing! You can see the work you have put into this piece. You have such a nice ringing tone, quiet left hand with great intonation, and your bowing arm/hand/wrist is impressive. Your trills are excellent. I think you are playing at a much higher level expected than the time you have been playing. If you can play this well at this speed, and only have to work up your speed to the brisk level of this Vivaldi piece, then it is going to sparkle.